{"id":20059,"date":"2015-01-07T15:36:42","date_gmt":"2015-01-07T04:36:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.horsemagazine.com\/thm\/?p=20059"},"modified":"2015-05-26T15:48:46","modified_gmt":"2015-05-26T05:48:46","slug":"the-worlds-most-successful-jumping-breeder-joris-de-brabander","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.horsemagazine.com\/thm\/2015\/01\/the-worlds-most-successful-jumping-breeder-joris-de-brabander\/","title":{"rendered":"The world\u2019s most successful jumping breeder – Joris de Brabander"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Header\"<\/a><\/p>\n

It was hard work catching up with Joris de Brabander. I\u2019d been chasing this interview for a couple of years, after all, what journalist with an interest in performance horse breeding would not want to interview the most successful jumping horse breeder in history? But Mr de Bradander is a super busy guy, and I kept missing him\u2026 \u2018oh, you wanted to meet Joris, he was here in the press room just a minute ago!\u2019<\/p>\n

Finally the text message came, \u2018I am here at Aachen watching my horse in the eventing dressage\u2019 (Karin Donckers’ new horse, Fletcha van \u2018T Verahof, and by one of the great horses de Brabander purchased from Belgium, Vigo d\u2019Arsouilles) <\/em>and replied, I am sitting in the press row, just behind you.<\/p>\n

\"Fletcha\"<\/a><\/p>\n

Karin Donckers and Fletcha van \u2018T Verahof<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cWhy do you want to talk to me?\u201d<\/p>\n

Because you are one of the most, if not the most successful breeders of jumping horses in the world\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cYou think? I do my best. I was a little bit lucky yesterday here at Aachen, there were four in the Nations Cup from me.\u201d<\/p>\n

(The four in question were London and Golden Hawk, both out of the same daughter of Chin Chin, Ta Belle van Sombeke. London is by Nabab de R\u00eave, the stallion Brabander purchased in Belgium while Golden Hawk, more correctly Figo de Muze is by the Nabab son, Vigo d\u2019Arouilles, Mylord Carthago, by Carthago and out of the foundation mare of Stal de Muze, Fragance du Challus and Estoy Aqui de Muze HDC, by Malito de R\u00eave, out of a mare by Kashmir van Schuttershof by Vigo d\u2019Arsouilles.)<\/em><\/p>\n

\"Stal<\/a><\/p>\n

How did you get started? Was it a family tradition?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cBreeding is my passion. It\u2019s very hard to make a job out of that but I am a vet. We had stallions, my father had stallions to cover mares but he was not a vet. We were very lucky when we started to embryo transfer, at that moment we could breed with good jumping horses, competition horses.\u201d<\/p>\n

How did you find the famous mare, Frag<\/em>ance du Challus?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cI was looking for a very good breeding mare in France and I studied all the bloodlines. Eventually I found this family and saw that her sire, Jalisco was a very good competition horse and at this time one of the best stallions, and her mother was one of the good French competition mares. She was only one year old. I first found her on paper then I tried to find the owner and the breeder, then I tried to buy her.\u201d<\/p>\n

\"fragance\"<\/a><\/p>\n

The famous mare, Fragance du Challus<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cWe start breeding with them when they are very very young. For instance with Fragance, we started breeding with her when she was two years old. She had very good offspring, she had a nice jump, she was a good mover, so we started her breeding \u2013 then her jumping career came afterwards. At the age of four, five, six she was one of the best Belgian competition mares in the young horse competitions.\u201d<\/p>\n

The number varies, how many foals has she had?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cA lot, I think she has more than forty five, and out of that, about twenty good competition horses who jumped more than one forty. She produced three incredibly good stallions, Mylord Carthago, Norton d\u2019Eole (one year, Mylord and Norton were both in the top ten stallions in France!)<\/em> and Bamako, all three jumped 1.60. (Mylord is of course by Carthago, Norton by Cento and Bamako by Darco) <\/em>She has now a lot of grandchildren who are stallions\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

You started with pedigree and then found the horse, is that your approach?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cNormally not but at the time we had a few mares at home but I was looking for better. At the moment we bought Fragance, we didn\u2019t have competition horses, so I was looking for better mares than we had at the time in Belgium.\u201d<\/p>\n

\"ButterflyFlip\"<\/a><\/p>\n

Butterfly Flip – now a broodmare…<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cOver the years I try to find better and better mares. Now at this moment, I have one very good mare, Butterfly Flip who was in 2003\/2004, the best jumping horse in the world. I have a two year old out of the clone of Ratina Z, who was one of the best jumping horses we ever had in the world, that\u2019s a level higher than Fragance. She was a very good 1.45 jumper but not more than that.\u201d<\/p>\n

\"Stal<\/a><\/p>\n

Joris with Nabab de R\u00eave…<\/em><\/p>\n

You obviously don\u2019t believe the theory that very good competition horses never produce very good offspring\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cThat\u2019s not true. The better they are, the better they can jump, the better the foal. It is true that very good jumping horses normally don\u2019t have good chances, they are too old to breed, or they are in the hands of rich people, or they are in countries where they don\u2019t have a breeding culture, and very often when a guy has a very good competition mare, he uses his own stallion which is very often not good enough. If you breed to very very good mares, it is always better than breeding to the others.\u201d<\/p>\n

You obviously don\u2019t have a problem with clones?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cI don\u2019t have problems, but I have found we really don\u2019t need that \u2013 sometimes there are a few exceptions, like I use a lot the clone of Gem Twist, he was a gelding and a Thoroughbred. I have the clone of Quidam de Revel at my home, we use him a little bit, but I think this is ridiculous when you have a stallion that bred already three thousand foals, you don\u2019t have to clone him and try and write the same story again, that\u2019s worthless. You have to give chances to other bloodlines, young stallions, not try and do all the time the same things. What L\u00e9on Melchior is doing, cloning his good stallions, I don\u2019t think that is a good idea. It exists now, and there are a few good clones so you can use them, but without the clones, breeding is also possible, I think.\u201d<\/p>\n

\"Stal<\/a><\/p>\n

How many mares do you have in your operation?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cNot so many. I have between fifteen and twenty five foals every year.\u201d<\/p>\n

Have you many foals from Butterfly Flip?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cWhen she came to our place she was already 21, the first year we had five, then every year on, four. She had one stallion foal again this year, but now she is 23, it is very difficult. We had an embryo last week, but I don\u2019t know if it will go on.\u201d<\/p>\n

What stallions are you using with her?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cNow we use our own stallions because we can use fresh semen and it is easier to have them pregnant. We try to use the best stallions in the world\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

Such as?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cThe stallions that are doing the big competitions. Every breeder tries to use Cornet Obolensky. He did the big sport, he is a good breeder, so we tried him also with a few mares. Stallions like Plot Blue, we use him a lot. In the past I had a lot of success in the past with Chin Chin, Darco and Quidam, all three horses that did the big competitions.\u201d<\/p>\n

Do you look at the type of the horses\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

Joris is a very funny guy: \u201cYou only have two minutes more of questions, then you will have to pay\u2026 (When Roz went to take his portrait, he said \u2018it is extra for a smile\u2019) <\/em>At the end the type is very important. Sport is very important, but it is also important to have a nice looking horse, sound and correct, with a beautiful head, but the most important is the sport.\u201d<\/p>\n

How long have you been breeding?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cI started in 1993.\u201d<\/p>\n

And you are still motivated?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cI am still motivated because my children are also interested in sport and breeding, that motivates. I think there is still a lot of progress to make in horses, especially in jumping horses. Most of the horses until now have been produced by amateur breeders who use their own families, their own horses and they try to use the best stallions, but I think if you start with the best competition mares, then there is still a lot of progress to be made.\u201d<\/p>\n

Everyone is talking about the fact that breeding is down, less mares are being bred in all the breeding areas\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cNow it is improving again, we had more breedings again, more embryo transplants, that\u2019s increasing again. It was world-wide down 50%, there were too many horses in the world, and still there are too many horses.\u201d<\/p>\n

Do you have another superstar young stallion to amaze us with?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cSurely, I have very good two year olds, very good three year olds. I have a four year old son of Taran, El Torrio de Muze, he is incredibly good and I have a few very good mares also. We are improving\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

(El Torrio de Muze is interestingly bred, he is by Taran de la Pomme (who is by Tolano van T\u2019 Riethof who is by Chin Chin, out of Sombeike \u2013 remember her, the dam of London and Golden Hawk). El Torrio is out of Funky Music who is by Vigo, and out of a mare by Goliath Z)<\/em><\/p>\n

There are chapters yet to be written in the history of Stal de Muze.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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