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Our first sight of Valegro at Jerez, having a canter around the sand track with Alan Davies<\/em><\/p>\n

With Christopher Hector<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Roslyn Neave took the photos…<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

It is always great to catch up with Carl Hester, he is not only one of the most charming people in the world, he is a thinker, and someone who is not afraid to speak his mind. I recorded this interview in Jerez where Carl won the first Freestyle with Wannado, and the second Grand Prix with Nip Tuck. Team Hester at Jerez included World and Olympic Champion, Valegro, on his first show outing since the European Championships in Aachen last year\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

Given that the organizer of the Florida dressage circus, Mr Belissimo, would have probably handed over half a million in neat folding bills for Valegro to make his re-appearance in Wellington, why are you in Jerez?<\/em><\/p>\n

\"BaroloCarlSpare\"<\/a><\/p>\n

Carl and Charlotte and her new Grand Prix star, Barolo<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cGood point, although we didn\u2019t get an offer. Never planned on it. As you know I kept it rather quiet that he was coming here, as I think Charlotte deserves a show where she can ride without the pressure of expectations, and have a bit of fun. The fun goes out of it when you are a gold medallist, going to every show with everybody picking on you \u2013 so we just wanted to put some fun back into it. The horse has been off since the Europeans last year. Up to Christmas it was just hacking, no schooling, just turn out and hacking out with Alan. He has come back so fast with his fitness, and I think right now, he\u2019s the best he has been. So I said to Charlotte, let\u2019s take him down to Spain and see how he goes, and maybe put him through the Grand Prix in the second week of the show.\u201d<\/p>\n

At the European Championships last year, I thought Valegro clearly won, but there were little things that you probably saw more than everyone else, because you know the pair so well, that weren\u2019t Valegro and Charlotte at their very top\u2026 Did you come away from Aachen with a plan to fix things?<\/em><\/p>\n

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\u201cYeah. We are not entirely sure if it was just down to the fact that the horse was jaded after all these years\u2026 he has always behaved like a professor, so he doesn\u2019t have the excitement that some other horses get. What he does outside, he does inside generally, and after six years at the top, I thought it was time for him to have a break and do something different, which is why we gave him all that time off. The horse never wants to not do his best, and that last music day, it was a bit like a cat howling. Watching it, I was just feeling that the horse just wasn\u2019t where he was earlier in the year, and maybe it is time for a break, to give him a chance to freshen up. It will be interesting to see if I\u2019m right. Is it just a fact of going into the ring again that\u2019s just boring him? Or was it tiredness after a summer of competition?\u201d<\/p>\n

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And with\u00a0<\/em>Charlotte after the test?<\/i><\/p>\n

\u201cI really felt for her, that last night of the music at the Europeans, that German crowd was a difficult crowd, to behave like that at a prize giving, I thought was pretty shocking. (There was booing from the German crowd when Charlotte\u2019s winning score was announced.)<\/em> For the first time, I saw her vulnerability. I was catching the plane home at six o\u2019clock that night, and of course, she finished the prize-giving and was then told she had to go to the town centre to stand on that stage, and she felt absolutely rotten about it. She said, Kristina (Sprehe) is going to go up and get the silver and they are all going to go mad, and I\u2019m going to walk out<\/em> into that<\/em>\u2026 I really felt for her. I\u2019m at the airport, and she is crying down the phone. I actually thought, you have got a heart after all these years and it is affecting you.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cIt used to be like, In the arena I don\u2019t mind,<\/em> I don\u2019t care what happens<\/em>, and suddenly, your personality has done a huge great big U-turn, and you are the person with a heart, you are the person getting nervous about what other people think, which the rest of us have had all our lives. For me, that was like a turning point, I thought she needs my support in any of these situations now. Look what she\u2019s done for me, for Great Britain, the horses\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

\"CharlotteAachen\"<\/a><\/p>\n

For dressage!<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cAnd for dressage. She has been a breath of fresh air with her story, because she is a horsewoman. I think she will be a horsewoman who people will remember. She is going to do it on more and more horses, that girl. I love that about her, the fact is what she has had to learn is to ride horses that are not gold medallists. That\u2019s where we\u2019ve got to with her learning curve. Oh he\u2019s not good enough, he\u2019s not good enough<\/em> \u2013 I said, but he is good enough for what he does, so let\u2019s not keep thinking that we can only train gold medallists, let\u2019s just train other horses to Grand Prix as well \u2013 that\u2019s where you are going to become a horsewoman. And that\u2019s what she is doing.\u201d<\/p>\n

Can we talk about positive tension? It looked to me, when we have been watching Charlotte working Valegro this week, that the incredible quality that she was showing was positive tension, he was electric, he was alive, he was never stressed, but he was electric, and that\u2019s a very weird concept\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cWhere it tips over, that positive tension, is if you let the horse get strong in the bridle. Once you let the horse become heavy on the hand and strong in the bridle, it\u2019s not positive any more, because then there is a block. If you can create what we try to create, without heavy hands, without hanging onto the rein, if you can do it with self-carriage, then it looks beautiful. It\u2019s this word, expression, which is a dangerous word because once you put expression into it, like heightened suspension and things like that, then if you have got the wrong rider, or a rider who doesn\u2019t ride with an independent seat, then they use their hands and that\u2019s when you get that horrible looking, jerky dressage. It is something we really work on, to be able to create it, without going over-board.\u201d<\/p>\n

Did you have to create it with Valegro?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cOf course. Anyone who remembers him as a four, five or six year old, he had a very strong, Cobby, trot, there wasn\u2019t the sort of power and expression he has now. He has a hanging moment now and he looks like an incredible mover, but back then, he had all the mechanics, but he didn\u2019t have the lightness, he was always a bloody <\/em>strong horse. He always had the hock action, that I don\u2019t believe you can change.”<\/p>\n

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“Look at Nip Tuck for instance, that\u2019s a horse without hind legs and I have to create, but I can never create Valegro hind legs for him. We can get Nip Tuck more engaged, but he is never going to have those hind legs that give him the same look as the natural ones.”<\/p>\n

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“That\u2019s what makes me laugh when you get his critics saying, he should be more sitting, he should be this or that<\/em>\u2026 Well, I started with no walk, no trot and no canter, that\u2019s what I started with, Valegro started with all three paces.”<\/p>\n

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\"NipTuckForward\"<\/a><\/p>\n

“That\u2019s training, it does show that you can create something in every horse that has the willingness to work \u2013 it won\u2019t be of the same quality, but it is something you can still make.\u201d<\/p>\n

Can you talk a little about self-carriage?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cSelf-carriage is really easy to see. It\u2019s that tension into the hand that we were just talking about with Valegro, that really tells it \u2013 it\u2019s the first place you see it through the whole of the top line of the horse. The best thing you can do for self-carriage is the give and re-take of the reins. It is amazing how you forget to do that when you ride on your own. That constant giving the hand, taking, giving, taking, making sure that the outline is stable, the mouth is soft. You only have to look at the mouth to know how it is working, the horse is carrying its own head and neck. People that ride on their own, it can be something that they forget they are doing, people put in too much power and that\u2019s why they find self-carriage difficult, and I always think you\u2019ve got to create a balance and then put power in, that way around.\u201d<\/p>\n

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\u201cWe were always told, particularly through the German system, hind legs, hind legs, hind legs, ride him more forward, ride him more forward\u2026 <\/em>and when you look around the world, there are very few riders with an independent seat, and if you don’t have that independent seat, then finding self-carriage is one of the most difficult things, and you should never forget it, really. But balance first.\u201d<\/p>\n

I\u2019m not sure if it is chicken or egg, but the riders who sit in the middle of the movement, in the middle of their horse are the ones with the self-carriage\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cExactly, they have self carriage themselves.\u201d<\/p>\n

And the riders who sit behind the movement, particularly the ones with their shoulders back, they are never going to have self-carriage\u2026.<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cNo, because they are driving the horse down in front. If they sit too strong, behind the vertical, then they are pushing the horse down, through and into the hand. I was told by \u2018Rocky\u2019*<\/strong> when you go forward you bring your body forward and when you want to come back, you bring your body back<\/em>. And it is amazing how most of us do the opposite to that. He always said to me, when you piaffe, you should be sitting over your knee, not sitting on your backside. <\/em>Charlotte does that naturally, I have to remind myself to do it because I want to be too strong, but that is a really interesting little tip he gave me because piaffe, you get the feeling that you are driving, but in fact you should be sitting over your knee to let the horse use its back.\u201d<\/p>\n

\"WanadooPretty\"<\/a><\/p>\n

\"WanadooGPCanter\"<\/a><\/p>\n

Carl and his new Grand Prix star, Wanadoo (Hann, Wolkenstein\/Cavalier)<\/em><\/p>\n

*Franz Rochowansky (1911 – 2001) affectionately known as \u2018Rocky\u2019 was a head rider for the Spanish Riding School in Vienna, before moving to the United Kingdom where he was an influential dressage teacher and went on to be the Olympic team trainer for the Netherlands, USA and Britain.<\/em><\/p>\n

Do you think the breeders have gone down the wrong path with these super quality horses\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cNo. I don\u2019t subscribe to that view.\u201d<\/p>\n

But Charlotte\u2019s new horse, Barolo, is by Breitling, not a pretty horse, but he gives strength\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cAnd he gives good movement and three paces.\u201d<\/p>\n

\"Barolo\"<\/a><\/p>\n

Barolo, Charlotte’s new Grand Prix competitor<\/em><\/p>\n

And Valegro is by Negro, again not the modern type, but he gives strength, and the breeders have got away from that concept of strength in the search for Thoroughbred beauty\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cI don\u2019t believe it is a breeding problem, I think it is a training problem. I think the quality of the horses being bred, the movement, the types, are lovelier than they were, and they are more natural, but this increased expression we are seeing, that\u2019s wanted for winning, is just getting some people who haven\u2019t got a good training system in place, to do things that are just not right. People think the breeding is the problem but I still think it is that the training is just not good enough. Or it\u2019s a system that is just not keeping horses sound \u2013 horses should not be moving at optimal levels for weeks and weeks of a year.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cThe horses that we have brought here to Jerez, are strong in their hind legs, strong in their front legs, and strong in their bodies, but we are not training them dressage movements all the time. Just walk, trot and canter on long reins, that is basically teaching them in a natural way to look after themselves, they are not under the sort of constant pressure that is expected in the competition arena.\u201d<\/p>\n

And where are you mentally going into Rio \u2013 there has been the odd hint of you moving to a different r\u00f4le in the future\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cI said that in London, so I feel I might be lying whatever I say, because in London it was like \u2018this is it guys, I\u2019m off\u2019, <\/em>and of course I didn\u2019t\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

You\u2019ll be like Robert Dover\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cThat\u2019s why I am not going to commit myself to a public statement. That makes me laugh, I think it was four public retirements for Robert. I\u2019m not going to make a public statement, but the only thing in my life that is difficult really, is having enthusiasm for the competitive side of it. I am enthusiastic about riding, I\u2019m enthusiastic about training, and I am enthusiastic about the way we still like bringing horses on\u2026 but I\u2019m not so enthusiastic about going to shows all my life. If I\u2019m going to commit myself to doing that, then I am going to have to ride on teams, and you have to have that drive to do that, that\u2019s the only thing I miss a bit nowadays. Charlotte did bring that back to my life for the last ten years.\u201d<\/p>\n

\"WanadooWU2\"<\/a><\/p>\n

So you\u2019ve got enough revs to make it to Rio?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cOh yeah I can do that! I can manage a few more months!! But what I do after that\u2026 It\u2019s interesting because Nip Tuck is one of my most favorite horses I\u2019ve ever ridden in my life, and I really look forward to riding him all the time. I just love the generosity of the horse\u2026 So as long as I go on looking forward to getting on horses, every day at home with all the young ones we\u2019ve got, I\u2019m oh this is a good one. <\/em>And Charlotte\u2019s like, well you will have to see that one all the way through then\u2026 <\/em>and I\u2019m like, oh I didn\u2019t mean it like that!\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

How many young ones do you have?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cWe\u2019ve got twenty at home.\u201d<\/p>\n

Whoa, and how many riders?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cThree, myself, Charlotte and my new young rider, Amy Woodhead \u2013 she\u2019s only 23, and her sister, Holly is 22 and was on the British Eventing Team for the Euros last year, very good riders, both of them. Then we\u2019ve got the work riders who just help us with the hacking.\u201d<\/p>\n

Do you go anywhere in particular to buy your youngsters?<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cWherever they pop up, to be honest, England still is the place to buy horses. They are cheap. I just can\u2019t put myself into the position of going for those great big moving, produced horses.”<\/p>\n

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NOTES ON BREEDING<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Breitling W was the star of the 2014 Hanoverian Stallion Licensing when he was crowned\u00a0Stallion of the Year, he has produced multiple Grand Prix performers:<\/strong><\/p>\n

http:\/\/www.horsemagazine.com\/thm\/2010\/08\/breitling-w\/<\/a><\/p>\n

Wanadoo is by Wolkenstein II\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Wolkenstein ll is probably the best stallion son of Weltmeyer, for more:<\/strong><\/p>\n

http:\/\/www.horsemagazine.com\/thm\/2014\/10\/wolkenstein-ii-2\/<\/a><\/p>\n

ADVERTISEMENT<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Breitling W, Wolkenstein ll and other Weltmeyer sons are available in Australia:<\/strong> http:\/\/www.ihb.com.au<\/a><\/p>\n

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For more articles with Carl, go to:<\/p>\n

Hester, Carl<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n